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Methinks on that day a whole lot of politicians, media moguls, propagandists, and money changers are going to be struck down by Holy Fire.Kiev500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4682405763952879345.post-24660661566928036382015-06-28T10:17:45.015-04:002015-06-28T10:17:45.015-04:00Yes, just like what is happening with marriage tod...Yes, just like what is happening with marriage today, some Christians misused Scripture to justify their sin. It is also a historical fact that it was Christians who led the way in the abolitionist movement. <br /><br />I'm way ahead of you on reading history. I'm currently working on a historical book, thus I'm currently reading over a dozen history books: (<i>Democracy in America, Memoir of Samuel Slater, The Making of America, The 5000 Year Leap, The Industrial Revolution, Light for the World: Edison and the Power Industry, The Automobile Revolution: The Impact of an Industry, A History of American Christianity</i>) to name a few. <br /><br />I challenge you to do this as well: Examine the Bible and look for passages that discuss marriage or family. There are thousands of them. Take notice of the number of times that "husband and wife" or "mother and father" are mentioned.<br /><br />Also, as far as you never visiting my site again, if I don't get feedback such as yours, how will visitors to my site get a contrary opinion? (I really do value a back-and-forth like we've had, thus it doesn't have the feel of an "echo chamber.") As long as things are civil, on topic, and not vulgar, I will never delete your comments.Trevor Thomashttp://www.trevorgrantthomas.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4682405763952879345.post-20392211517291627442015-06-28T10:01:59.363-04:002015-06-28T10:01:59.363-04:00"Nothing is innocent or accidental anymore.&q..."Nothing is innocent or accidental anymore." <br /><br />Lately, I've found myself thinking the same thing.<br /><br />Although, I haven't quite gotten to "Everything about politics is underhanded and dishonest."Trevor Thomashttp://www.trevorgrantthomas.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4682405763952879345.post-68392055163807753832015-06-28T02:18:15.268-04:002015-06-28T02:18:15.268-04:00I can't tell if you really misunderstood what ...I can't tell if you really misunderstood what I wrote, or if you're choosing to misinterpret it, so let me say it to you more plainly. <br /><br />When slaves were fighting for their freedom in the United States, southern Christians argued that the Bible gave them the right to own slaves. Ephesians 6:5. Titus 2:5. Moses' Pentateuch. This is a historical fact. <br /><br />During the Civil Rights battles of the 1960s, southern Christians used the Bible to defend segregation, their fight against interracial marriage, and acts of horrific racially motivated violance. Deut. 32:8. Moses' Pentateuch. The major prophets. The minor prophets. This is a historical fact. <br /><br />When women began fighting for their suffrage, evangelical Christians used the Bible to defend laws that kept women from voting. Collosians 3:18. 1 Corinthians 14:35. 1 Corinthians 11:9. This is a historical fact. <br /><br /> <br /><br />This is the short list. Christians like you have been saying "God's Word is THE definitive word on 'social justice'" to to deny minorities the rights granted to them by the Constitution since they arrived on this continent. Sometimes the Supreme Court has to intervene and move the country forward (Loving vs. Virginia, Brown vs. the Board of Education, etc,). Sometimes Congress has to amend the Constitution (Fifteenth, Nineteenth, etc.). Once, an entire civil war was fought! <br /><br />Likewise, it has been a go-to battle cry for decades that the Founders would decry the advances minorities have made in this country. Would the Founders support marriage equality? Maybe not. But most of them would also have thought women voting and slavery being abolished were terrible jokes or words spoken by a lunatic. <br /><br />We learn. We grow. We get better. The country steps forward and drags evangelical Christians, kicking and screaming, with it. <br /><br />You can choose to not believe those facts. You can choose to ignore them. But they are facts. I will happily read your 27 diatribes against marriage equality if you will read a history book. <br /><br />I know I'm not going to change your mind today, Brother. You're too lost in your own echo chamber, and I understand, I've been there too. I want to leave you with this thought. (And don't worry about yelling back at me because this is the last time I'll visit your website. I've got to heed the advice about about to give you.) How you're living your life right now, is it how Jesus would be living his life in modern day America? No, it's not. He wouldn't have lived his life defending slavery or racism or any of the other hateful things evangelical Christians have wasted their lives defending. Don't waste yours either, Brother.CatHessPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4682405763952879345.post-19458559306622307322015-06-27T16:25:33.589-04:002015-06-27T16:25:33.589-04:00Well since you didn't link it the first time, ...Well since you didn't link it the first time, I figured it was a book, and the date you provided was probably a publish date. My bad. <br /><br /><br />Quote: <br /><br />"And yes, whether you realize it or not, the polygamists are making the very same arguments as same-sex "marriage" proponents." <br /><br /><br /><br />By that I assume you mean the Mormons and FLDS people. I think they got blocked by their own church, so I'm not sure how much political clout they can demonstrate on a national level. <br /><br /><br />Getting back to Hillary, I'm gonna predict this whole "take down the Confederate Flag" movement is intended to prepare ground for a second political group to dig up old video of Hillary claiming she supports the Confederate flag. This would place her firmly on the "wrong" side of a key wedge issue. <br /><br /><br />I'm very suspicious and cynical regarding these recent developments. Nothing is innocent or accidental anymore. Everything about politics is underhanded and dishonest. As they say, nice guys finish last. They will do to Hillary what they did to Herman Cain and John Edwards and General David Petraeus, -which will save them from having to do to Hillary what they did to JFK.Kiev500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4682405763952879345.post-84792426819160523052015-06-27T10:23:16.057-04:002015-06-27T10:23:16.057-04:00It's not a book. Go here: http://beyondmarriag...It's not a book. Go here: http://beyondmarriage.org/full_statement.html<br /><br />And yes, whether you realize it or not, the polygamists are making the very same arguments as same-sex "marriage" proponents. See: http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2013/04/legalize_polygamy_marriage_equality_for_all.html<br /><br />http://juicyecumenism.com/2015/02/05/polyamory-activist-hijacks-third-way-pastors-sexuality-logic/<br /><br />http://www.trevorgrantthomas.com/2008/05/why-not-polygamy.html<br /><br /><br /><br />I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see the Obama admn. undermine Hillary.Trevor Thomashttp://www.trevorgrantthomas.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4682405763952879345.post-91168704504893330752015-06-27T04:06:23.035-04:002015-06-27T04:06:23.035-04:00In spite of the book you claim to have read, polyg...In spite of the book you claim to have read, polygamy and incest and bestiality (and whatever else you can dig up) are NOT LEGALLY equivalent to a marriage union between two consenting (and non-related) adults. You may infer that 300 or more LGBT activists wish it were so, but that does not make it true or likely to become law. This is what I referred to as shrill predictions of doom. It didn't happen when race-related marriage restrictions fell, and it won't happen now.<br /><br /><br />I must ask: Did you really read that book, or did you quote someone from a third party web site who skimmed the dust jacket for useful dirt?Kiev500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4682405763952879345.post-36520023846519945462015-06-26T22:34:30.390-04:002015-06-26T22:34:30.390-04:00A "bait and switch" on polygamy and the ...A "bait and switch" on polygamy and the like? Perhaps you've never read "Beyond Same-Sex Marriage, A New Strategic Vision for All Our Families & Relationships, July 26, 2006." <br /><br />Initially signed by over 300 LGBT activists, it states:<br /><br /><i>To have our government define as 'legitimate families' only those households with couples in conjugal relationships does a tremendous disservice to the many other ways in which people actually construct their families, kinship networks, households, and relationships. For example, who among us seriously will argue that the following kinds of households are less socially, economically, and spiritually worthy?</i><br /><br />[The ten "kinds of households" listed include "blended families" and "single parent households," plus "Committed, loving households in which there is more than one conjugal partner."] (<a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/06/scotus_declares_14th_amendment_requires_same_sex_marriage_in_54_decision.html" rel="nofollow">See American Thinker today for more.</a>)<br /><br /><br />Of course, I and many others, have been making these arguments for years.Trevor Thomashttp://www.trevorgrantthomas.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4682405763952879345.post-50092119127724499862015-06-26T20:42:12.630-04:002015-06-26T20:42:12.630-04:00Quote:
"Are you going to chant that when the...Quote: <br />"Are you going to chant that when the polygamists, incestuous, and the like sue for their "right" to marry?" <br /><br />Tisk tisk, you shouldn't attempt the classic conservative bait and switch tactic suggesting polygamy and incest (and bestiality and whatever else you can dig up) are equivalent to a legal union between two consenting (and non-related) adults. This isn't any more an invitation of those things than establishment of the right of men and women of different races, ethnic backgrounds, or religions to marry. Remember there was a time in some states when a black man couldn't marry a white woman. Social conservatives (and many religious conservatives) made the same shrill predictions when that curtain fell too. <br /><br />Quote: <br />"You can't turn one of the oldest truths in God's creation on its head without some dire consequences." <br /><br />Does that observation apply to Jesus' ministry which established the new covenant with God? What tradition did observant men follow to atone for sin before the advent of the Lamb of God? <br /><br /><br />When Jesus brought his ministry to God's children, a curtain representing an old truth (perhaps the very oldest) was rent in twain from top to bottom. The Pharisees predicted dire consequences, and they conspired to make Jesus pay the highest price any man can pay. Who will conspire as they did to undermine and corrupt today's ruling?Kiev500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4682405763952879345.post-59943018216241543932015-06-26T19:50:32.510-04:002015-06-26T19:50:32.510-04:00As far as the ripples, we'll see how big they ...As far as the ripples, we'll see how big they get. You can't turn one of the oldest truths in God's creation on its head without some dire consequences. <br /><br /><br />So your for "freedom and liberty?" Are you going to chant that when the polygamists, incestuous, and the like sue for their "right" to marry?Trevor Thomashttp://www.trevorgrantthomas.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4682405763952879345.post-87453575786804406672015-06-26T16:42:13.926-04:002015-06-26T16:42:13.926-04:00So that happened. Scalia and Thomas' heads jus...So that happened. Scalia and Thomas' heads just exploded. Yea for freedom and liberty! Heh...Kiev500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4682405763952879345.post-56918361133183021922015-06-26T13:28:08.132-04:002015-06-26T13:28:08.132-04:00I'm not sure you understand what is an "a...I'm not sure you understand what is an "argument." The homosexual agenda has nothing to do with the movements to gain civil rights for blacks, women, etc. and many of those involved in such movements have said so. <br /><br />And what about your "bigotry" towards Christians? Why is it that only the "values" of liberalism belong in our politics and our legal system? Not one single Founder of the United States would celebrate this decision. <br /><br /><a href="http://www.trevorgrantthomas.com/2014/02/same-sex-marriage-paganism-founders-and.html" rel="nofollow">As I've said before</a>, not one single Founder would give the notion that marriage is anything other than the union of one man and one woman more than a half-second’s thought before (rightly) concluding that such an idea is either a terrible joke or spoken by a lunatic.<br /><br /><br /><br />And today's ruling is EXACTLY why Christians should be involved in politics. God's Word is THE definitive word on "social justice."Trevor Thomashttp://www.trevorgrantthomas.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4682405763952879345.post-27005133051490608582015-06-26T12:30:34.131-04:002015-06-26T12:30:34.131-04:00The arguments you use to defend your bigotry are t...The arguments you use to defend your bigotry are the same the church used to defend its fight against interracial marriage, against the end of segregation, against the end of slavery, against women's suffrage, and on and on and on. If you do, indeed, defend this idea until the day you die, your children will remember you the way children remember parents who were in the KKK. Social justice marches forward and pulls along people who use their Bibles to defend their bigotry. So it always has been in the United States, so it is today, and so it will continue to be.CatHessPnoreply@blogger.com